50 Killed At Gay Club In Florida; Deadliest Mass Shooting In US History [Pics+]

Submitted by: fancylad 9 months ago News & Politics
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A gunman who we now know as Omar Mateen of Port St. Luice, Florida walked into Pulse, a gay nightclub in Orlando with a handgun and an assault rifle around 2am last night, and just started shooting everything in his path, killing approximately 50 and injuring at least 53.

Early reports from Orlando Police Chief John Mina of the Orlando Police Department are putting together bit of information as you read this and so far, here's what they have....

+ The gunman exchanged fired with the doorman who was an off-duty cop at around 2am. The gunman then entered the club and began firing, holding those he didn't kill hostage.

+ At 5am, a SWAT team decided to storm the club Mateen was using to hold the survivors hostage.

+ According to the Orlando PD on the scene, approximately 30 hostages were saved -- some who were wounded, barricaded in the bathrooms, and communicating with cops on their phones.

+ Early reports from Mina stated that 20 people had been killed with 42 injured -- both of those numbers climbed as the investigation continued.

In NBC News obtained a statement from the shooters father, Mir Seddique -- the father insists this was not a religious act, but he also added he was furious over how he perceived gay people acted in public, in front of his family recently...

“We are apologizing for the whole incident. We weren’t aware of any action he is taking, we are in shock like the whole country. This had nothing to do with religion. We were in Downtown Miami, Bayside, people were playing music. And he saw two men kissing each other in front of his wife and kid and he got very angry. They were kissing each other and touching each other and he said, ‘Look at that. In front of my son they are doing that.’ And they we were in the men’s bathroom and men were kissing each other.’”

There are reports that the authorities are looking at this as a possibly terrorist attack, but pieces of the puzzle are still being gathered and put together.

You should be shocked, but don't be.

There are 53 comments:
Male 14,778
We won't agree on guns or religion; can we simply agree that this attack is sad? If not, we as a forum have no common ground.
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Male 2,670
Anyone who doesn't understand the proliferation and sheer ease of buying a high-powered semi-automatic rifle is part of the problem is either stupid or blind or both. Gun nuts, please commence your rabid attacks on my person.
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Male 7,512
So, are you just Ignorant on the subject due to a lack of information? Or Willfully Ignorant because you refuse to acknowledge information when it's presented to you?
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Male 2,670
I am a potato.
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Male 252
I just think you are misinformed, you are most likely a nice person.
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Male 2,670
That was nice of you to say. Thanks.
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Male 252
@BoredFrank My issue is most people are not informed of the facts, they get a brief glimpse of a headline, or a snippet of a news cast then they take what they read/heard as gospel and then begin to parrot that information. I always encourage people to do a little investigation into what they heard and see if it is true. Shining example is today at work I went into the break to hear someone say "Yeah it was an AR-15, those are super easy to make automatic". If you know anything about firearms it is not easy at all unless you are a machinist or a military armor who understands how the rifle functions. Also the firearm used in the Orlando shooting wasn't even an AR-15, it was a Sig MCX which looks like one but functions completely different. Do your own homework and make a educated conclusion instead of an ignorant one.
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Male 7,775
If only those gays had been holding guns instead of hands this wouldn't have happened.
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Male 252
I believe this is a correct statement.
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Male 990
Maybe they were using the wrong bathroom? Was that a factor? (yes, tasteless comment. Reductio ad absurdum.)
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Male 252
Yes, lets blame the tool not the one holding it. Blame an object, not the parents who taught him to hate. Lets blame everything else but the root of the problem. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBlwxqqAprQ#t=117
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Male 6,216
If you are going to blame the parents how can you not blame the gun as well. Without that tool this maniac wouldn't have been able to slaughter all of these people. The gun has a place in the blame here. There's a lot of blame to go around. If we didn't have easy access to weapons of mass murder these wouldn't happen. Mass murder can only happen if the weapons are there to do so. Could he have used a car, could he have used a knife? Sure! But guess what. The gun is the easiest and most destructive tool available to accomplish something like this.
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Male 990
If he used a tea kettle, hot off the stove, he might have taken out might have taken out one or two...if it was sage tea, maybe as many as four....
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Male 3,995
Yea, but then you would be screaming to ban tea kettles and sage tea.
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Male 252
https://mises.org/blog/dea-releases-new-drug-overdose-death-figures-guns-safer-prescription-drugs Drugs cause more deaths per year than firearms. We banned those, they shouldn't be hurting anyone anymore. Chicago is one of the most gun controlled cities in the nation and the homicide rate by firearms is among the highest in the nation. If you think passing a law saying they are banned is going to be the solution you need to pull your head out of the sand. This is a terrible situation and I am saddened by the needless loss of life, but an emotional reaction to this situation does not trump my constitutional right to possess a firearm. Period.
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Male 6,216
@Nicod3mus ODing on drugs affects INDIVIDUALS, individuals that make the conscious choice to harm themselves. I can't go around killing you with drugs unless I force feed you them or force inject you with them. COMPLETELY different argument you are making here and not relevant as well.
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Male 252
@normalfreak Okay so now that we have established a baseline for banning one certain type of gun, what will stop them from banning another. I mean who needs to own a handgun with a 15 round magazine? I mean really? Lets ban those too just to be safe. Also, those bolt action guns are pretty high power. Lets ban those high powered rifles, just too dangerous for anyone to have. No fly list? No gun for you! Due process? Bah who needs it. It doesn't matter where you draw the line it matters where our law makers draw the line.
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Male 6,216
@nicod3mus Will you still be able to own a bolt action, revolver, handgun? Is that answer yes? Okay then guns aren't being banned. Certain ones are. That's not stopping you from having a gun.
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Male 252
@normalfreak2 He already had a weapons permit due to his job as a security guard. So your ideas would have done nothing to help the situation or hinder his plans. Your basic thought process is "Well, I am not sure what will work so lets try anything and see what happens." Oh and I think Hillary is calling to reinstate the AWB of 1994, looks like the Democratic front runner wants to ban guns. Looks like the paranoia isn't unfounded.
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Male 6,216
@nicod3mus Who knows what "could have stopped him". All i know is it took him what 2 days to get a gun? Wll increasing time between wanting to buy one and getting one, having a test to pass, mandatory training, etc? It may have not prevented this, but you know what it may have given more time for people to catch him or stop him. Who knows? It's worth trying. What's the problem with that. Law abiding citizens get inconvenienced. I know super harsh.
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Male 252
@normalfreak2 you're right, we didn't have a ban on certain firearms in 1994. What possibly could I have been thinking? Btw, what suggestions have you brought forth that could have stopped the shootings in Orlando?
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Male 6,216
@nicod3mus I can't take you seriously when you say stuff like this "When you have a major political party whose platform is to ban and disarm the populous you can hopefully understand that paranoia. " That's an incredible logical fallacy. Listen the Democrats haven't as far as I've ever read want to repeal the 2nd amendment and disarm the populace. Gun control and banning something are two COMPLETELY different ideas. If people aren't going to keep an open mind then this can never be truly addressed. Having restrictions doesn't make a ban.
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Male 252
@normalfreak2 I am not an NRA member, but they are a powerful lobby. They are the ones responsible for limiting the ATF's abilities to put info into databases. I understand why they fought to make it hard for the ATF to compile a list, one word " registration" (which they believe will lead to confiscation). When you have a major political party whose platform is to ban and disarm the populous you can hopefully understand that paranoia. As far as starting a registration based on the logic of using vehicles and drivers licenses doesn't work for two reasons imho. 1.) If I base an argument off of the fact cars kill people therefore we should ban cars to save lives you would think I was ridiculous, but then to turn around and say we have vehicle registration therefore we should register guns in the same line shows a fallacy of logic or plain hypocrisy. 2.) One is identification (drivers licences) and one is a tax (vehicle registration) and neither are written about in our Constitution. My previous point about drugs was to show how when the govt bans something it only creates a thriving black market and the gun control you want will be even harder to obtain. Look at Chicago as an example of heavy gun control and the effect of a black market and amount of shooting homicides. I also believe we need to punish law breakers, we have plenty of laws on the book that are not being enforced by this Justice Department and then that trickles down as an example of how to act. Before we go overboard lets do what you suggest and enforce the laws already written.
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Male 6,216
Also @Nicod3mus, When a gun is misused or used irresponsibly you throw the book at them. Sorry no more light sentences for fucking around with guns. it's time to punish people severely if they misuse them. Automatic 10 year prison sentence for anyone that misuses a gun. ENFORCE THE LAWS ON THE BOOKS.
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Male 6,216
@Nicod3mus I have a few suggestions. Let the ATF use computerized records to communicate. They aren't allowed to keep anything computerized. Start a gun registry in some shape or form. We have Licences, we have documentation for cars. Time to do the same for Guns. You have the right to own a gun, but in order to obtain one legally no more sales of guns without a license. Harshly punish those that do. You need a mandatory amount of time to complete classes before becoming certified. These are just a start.
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Male 252
@normalfreak2 Well, I use to work for the govt and I know from personal experience how terrible it really is. I can see you offer no specific examples of how to deal with this issue. May I assume you have none? Would you prefer the govt figure it out for us?
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Male 6,216
@nicod3mus Is Government perfect? No it's not. Does everything become a mess when Government get's involved? Absolutely not. When you have retards like the tea party that don't want to Govern and the obstructionist GOP that choose principal over compromise then yes government looks like shit and fails. Blaming Government's failings for stupid people being involved in the process doesn't make Government bad. Government being good or bad is completely reliant on the people working in the Government.
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Male 252
When the govt gets involved it becomes a mess. When you regulate and restrict things people find ways to get them and still use them. Having your gun control would be no different. For the sake of argument, what exactly would you want to be done in order to stop these events and ones like them? (Please be specific)
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Male 6,216
@nicod3mus what does banning drugs have to do with guns? They aren't the same thing. Using the same logic on two separate completely different items doesn't prove or disprove anything. No one is calling for the BAN of anything.
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Male 252
So banning drugs has worked then?
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Male 6,216
A Constitutional right you don't exercise that I do. Not everyone should have the right to own a gun. The 2nd amendment needs some major retooling. The world has changed.
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Male 252
So you want to take my rights away because I might do something? Yes, excellent logic.
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Male 990
@Nicod3mus ...if you exercixe your right to carry a firearm, and you then use said firearm to kill 50 people and wound 50+ others, then that's >100 other peoples rights being violated, yes? "oh, but that's just one guy, not me!"...enter circular argument. I don't think I'll bother with you anymore, you're obviously not someone that understands logic.
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Male 252
"A Constitutional right you don't exercise that I do." Please explain
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Male 990
"an emotional reaction to this situation does not trump my constitutional right to possess a firearm. Period."....having a right doesn't always make it right. If your right impedes or supresses or inteferes with someone elses rights? what then? Who's rights have the most validity?
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Male 252
Explain how my right to own and carry a firearm interferes or suppresses someone else's right. Not a generalization here, I am asking about my personal right.
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Male 7,775
And what is the tool made for? Idiot.
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Male 252
Guns were a logical development in the history of armaments. Each development in weapons results in a development in defense and/or tactics to counter them. Armor countered edged weapons, projectile weapons countered armor (the English longbow was the "assault weapon" of its age.) The application of gunpowder to man-portable projectile weapons produced something that no wearable plate armor could withstand. In addition, you could teach a peasant to load and shoot a firearm in a few days if not hours, where the skillful use of a bow required years of training. Once the firearm was invented, technological development of it continued, and tactics (nobody stands toe-to-toe and shoots it out like they did in the 1700's anymore) and defense (armored vehicles, high-tech ballistic armor, artillery) developed right along with them.
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Male 7,775
http://s33.postimg.org/6iporgu6n/IMG_20160612_171848.jpg
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Male 5,051
normalfreak2 but why when USA face internal deep problems we allways have to belive in the terrorist card to be played? It seems to me an evergreen excuse to cover what it's wrong in your society. How many others mass shootings we have to whitness before you start thinking that it's not allways terrorism but a deep problem you have in your country where there are more weapons than inhabitants?
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Male 990
@piperfawn , I don'tt want to speak for NF2, he can speak for himself, but I think you misunderstood what he was saying. He was, I'm sure, being sarcastic, not literal. NF2, correct me if I'm wrong...
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Male 6,216
I had a little tongue in cheek in my comment. You aren't wrong at all buttersrules.
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Male 3,995
Actually Europe has a much harder time with mass shootings. Norway, Serbia, France, Macedonia, Albania, Slovakia, Switzerland, Finland, Belgium, the Czech Republic all have higher death rates from mass shootings per capita. link
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Male 6,216
Good guy with a gun didn't stop the bad guy with a gun and as a result 50 people are dead. Not the gun's fault for being used. But it sure was the reason 50 people were killed. Until Americans separate reality from fiction we'll never get any gun control.
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Mr. Its_OVER_9000, your ignorance about gun control is a perfect representation of what is wrong with America. Here is an excerpt you should read from Columbine victim's father named Darrell Scott. http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/scott.asp.... Please educate yourself before placing blame...FYI, I do not own a gun and do not plan to, however, gathering knowledge in leu of making blind conclusions is what separates an intelligent opinion from a whim. Here is a piece, because I doubt you will read it... In the days that followed the Columbine tragedy, I was amazed at how quickly fingers began to be pointed at groups such as the NRA. I am not a member of the NRA. I am not a hunter. I do not even own a gun. I am not here to represent or defend the NRA — because I don't believe that they are responsible for my daughter's death. Therefore I do not believe they need to be defended. If I believed they had anything to do with Rachel's murder I would be their strongest opponent. I am here today to declare that Columbine was not just a tragedy — it was a spiritual event that should be forcing us to look at where the real blame lies! Much of the blame lies here in this room. Much of the blame lies behind the pointing fingers of the accusers themselves.
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Male 49
It seems that Americans have learned to tolerate these barbaric acts of violence by gun toting B@$taRds. How much lives would be lost just because a few people want the right to own guns. A nonsensical right that has no place in modern society. Before all the gun loving folks bash me for this I would like to ask them if they would still be willing to defend this right after a family member is murdered in cold blood.
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Male 37,055
Because mass shootings NEVER happen in France or Norway. FFS man... You look at a Muxlim mass murdering gays and blame it on gun rights? Shake yourself awake dude...
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Male 19,981
Well, after Sandyhook, a lot of people said, "if Americans are not going to do anything after a gunman slaughtered a bunch of kids at a school, America will never do anything." and they were probably right.
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Male 6,216
@It's_over_9000 The argument will be it wasn't the gun's fault, if only there were more guns, etc. The killer may have been an ISIS sympathizer or ISIS inspired as well. Religion in general may be a factor here as well.
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Male 990
@normalfreak2 reading the news here in Au, I think relegion may have been a factor, but more to do with general religious intolerence to gays (which extends to various religions), rather than extremist religious idiology (ie muxlim extremism). Early reports only, so keeping an open mind, but that's the general feel I get at this point in time.
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Male 19,981
Butter -- I just posted a new piece on exactly what you're talking about. Go read it, but basically, there are a lot of people in the media who are tying this to a terrorist attack. i say it's too early to call it either way.
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Male 6,216
@buttersrules Yea I'm not jumping to any conclusions yet. This is a senseless tragedy. All I can offer is thoughts and prayers and my desire to see real reform with gun control. The fact this guy was allowed to own all those guns legally (we'll see) is absurd. We need restrictions.
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