Trump Couldn't Even Make It A Month Before The Wheels Fell Off

Submitted by: fancylad 1 month ago News & Politics

Holy crap, what a clusterfuck Trump has gotten himself into. So far, since yesterday morning when most of us woke up to the news that the White House's National Security Adviser Michael Flynn resigned, it's been nearly impossible to keep up with the developing story. And there are so many stories that Trump could be held over the fire for, but the big violation is Trump's relationship with Russia.

According to an article in The New York Times, four current and former US officials admit that members of Trump’s campaign staff and other associates had continuous contacts with senior-level Russian intelligence officials during the year before the 2016 election.

The Kremlin denied it. "Let’s not believe anonymous information," Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said on a conference call with reporters. "It’s a newspaper report which is not based on any facts." Honest question some of you may have the answer to, Isn't this Russia/Trump thing to the level where the National Security Agency would have first-hand intel by now? 

All Trump could do this morning was muster up his old "fake news" mantra, but no mention of the Times piece, which broke the Russia news...



After all, the FBI and its director, James Comey, received documents from Senator John McCain in December 2016 alleging secret contact between the Trump campaign and Moscow and that Russian intelligence had personally compromising material on Trump. There's been a lot of time between then and now to accumulate data and dig deep into the story.

 Also remember that in his final days are the President, Obama gave the CIA, the FBI, and other US intelligence agencies greater access to surveillance on foreigners abroad, including intel identifying American citizens (like Flynn per chance?) these foreigners may be in contact with.

So you have to imagine Obama knew what Trump was up to, gave national security the clearance they needed to catch Trump and his crew hang themselves (this is all about Putin and Russian oil, you know), took off on vacation thinking, "By the time I get back from vacation, Trump will be in prison."
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Male 1,121
"wheels fell off"?  according to who?  Some nutjob liberals who hated him anyway?  It looks like he is kicking ass and taking down names, fulfilling his campaign promises just as soon as he can, despite the swamp monsters resisting his every move.  HIGH MARKS President Trump, carry on.
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Male 4,344
Is it me or is the name glitch getting worse?
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Male 37,007
CNN is reporting not only that the FBI will decline to further investigate or prosecute the short-lived national security adviser, but that Flynn's FBI interview is being described as "cooperative and truthful"

In other words: the opposite of Hillary.

This 'fake news' is falling apart rapidly. There was NO crime, NO secrets, he wasn't perfectly honest, it's true, but everyone involved knew this.
https://pjmedia.com/homeland-security/2017/02/15/medias-flynn-russia-narrative-quickly-collapsing-as-fbi-reportedly-clears-former-national-security-adviser/

Of course Obama made secret negotiations with Iran before he even became President-Elect... not news! Nothing wrong with illegally interfering with diplomatic negotiations!
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2017/02/obamas-secret-communications-with-mullahs-undermined-american-foreign-policy.php

And then he gave Iran Atomic Weapons on a silver platter, coughed up billions to the world's #1 terror-supporting nation, ended sanctions, ignored their aggression AND paid ransom for hostages...
But all of that is far less important than a citizen talking to an Ambassador!! Impeach Trump!
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Male 4,344
Breaking news: Puzder just pulled out his 0ffer for Secretary of Labor. Wonder why?
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Male 263
Our fearless leader soon.

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Male 1,744
You know what? There's so much Trump stuff going on, I can't even keep up with it anymore. I mean stuff on both sides: He's signing Executive Orders and tweeting like a squirrel who's had eleven espressos--and then there's all the gotcha stories coming out.

I don't like Trump all that much, I really don't. But I find myself wanting to tell everyone to take a deep breath. I hate to break it to some of you, but no, I don't think Donald J. Trump is going to be impeached by this Friday, I really don't. Jesus, Mary, and Joseph, let's let the reporters do their research and the congressional committees do their fact-finding. There's just too many hoomans running around with their hands in the air for me to take it anymore. Phew!

Rant over.
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Male 4,344
squrlz4ever Here have a walnut and calm down before you have a seizure
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Male 4,344
squrlz4ever I agree the problem is the humans, they have over populated the planet and have based their society on perpetual conflict.
Over the past few weeks I submitted several funny non political videos and haven't seen any posted yet
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Male 4,344
fancylad  Ohhh One has just been posted and it is a classic :-)
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Male 92
I'm getting really tired of these deflections. Just like when Hillary's emails were being scrutinized, I just want to know is the information true? If it is, it needed to be brought to light. 

Too much "Top secret" material is being classified only to avoid PR nightmares. 

Also, is this even a "leak"? Shouldn't all this Russia intel just be public information about a conversation regarding a paid public servant and his staff.
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Male 19,981
toetagmodel2 That's all Trump and his voters have at this point... "But, Hillary... but Obama..." 

That's what kids do when they get in trouble in the classroom. "But Johnny did the same thing I did and he didn't get in trouble." 

It's the final desperate pleas from a crumbling administration, and here we are barely in week 4. This all happened so much sooner than anyone thought.
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Male 205
fancylad No, the problem is the lack of clear evidence. You regressives keep pulling strawmans based on surroundings, that's not how you look at evidence.
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Male 37,007
fancylad No, actually they are saying "So what? Everyone KNEW about this long ago." Why is it a 'scandal' at all when he broke NO laws? Oh right ! Because they have nothing else to defame Trump with, so they make shit up.
THAT is the problem here.

A GUY Trump appointed (didn't Obama appoint him to something too?) once said something to a  Russian Ambassador that was secretly wiretapped and illegally 'leaked'... even though he broke no laws.

But they compare this to: Hillary herself setting up and using illegal servers and sending classified information to non-cleared people over unsafe lines for 4 years... years! And dozens of other e-mail crimes she herself personally did, some she even admits to! 
Identical! Impeach Trump immediately!
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Male 37,007
5cats Yes, he was:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_T._Flynn#Defense_Intelligence_Agency.2C_Director

And what's more? Flynn is a Democrat... funny how not one article mentions that, eh?
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Male 37,007
It wasn't a conversation with a "Russian intelligence officer" it was an Ambassador! Sergey Kislyak. You know, the people you're supposed to talk to for diplomatic or business things?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2017/02/14/fbi-needs-to-explain-why-michael-flynn-was-recorded-gop-intelligence-chairman-says/?utm_term=.577a6a869384 

If he was talking about business, then of course the topic of sanctions will come up, obviously! Duh!

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Male 6,161
5cats Did you read that, a Christmas well wishes even though Orthodox Christmas in January? The Logan Act forbids this type of communication, now the question is is the Logan Act anything but writing on paper because it's never been tested in court.  Either get rid of it or enforce it.
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Male 4,368
Here is the opening to Michael Bay's new movie, Particon:

(Voiceover by Megacon, leader of the Decepticons)

Before the Internet began, there was Truth. We know not where it went, only that our pundits now hold the power to create "fact" and fill their followers with misinformation. That is how our race was born. While George W Bush was president we lived in harmony. But like all great power, some wanted it for good, others for evil. A new darker President emerged and so began the great war. A war that ravaged our planet with falsehoods so immense the truth was consumed like flies. We scattered in militias across the seven suburbs, hoping to rebuild our domination. Searching every talk show and spin room, every part of our world for the answer. And just when all hope seemed lost, a message of a new kind of puppet was heard - a man who could speak with absolutely no regard for the truth, or the English language. We were drawn, sometimes dragged, to a candidate named... Trump.
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Female 237
5Cats seems to be away, so I'll be standing in for him.

"Blah blah blah MSM blah blah fake news blah blah sheeple.

Alternative facts. Misrepresented reality. Nothing to see here.

Illegal immigrants voted for this story. Shoot 'em all and let God sort 'em out blah blah blah cold dead hands."

If you need any further input while 5Cats is sticking his fingers in his ears and shouting La la la la la!, please let me know.
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Male 19,981
DrCribbens It's going to be exciting watching Trump get hauled off to court, then jail, for all of this.
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Male 37,007
fancylad How pathetic IAB Liberals are now. Making shit up because they cannot even talk any longer, just scream slogans from the DNC playbook.

And using sock-puppets! They have no shame... they all seem to have fallen from sanity into Trump Derangement Syndrome, very few exceptions.
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Male 4,344
fancylad 5cats You were the one screaming sock puppets when a strange name shows up when responding to someones post. I have had that happen when responding to your comments,  trimble showed up.  It did it on this response too!
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Male 19,981
5cats No one is making things up. That excuse can't be used any more. This has gone beyond Capitol Hill hearsay and gossip. 
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Male 37,007
fancylad Cribbins is making shit up about ME FancyLad, that's what I am referring to, specifically. 

And in general? They've been making shit up about Trump since he announced his candidacy. A lot of those lies and false-news can be found on the hundred(s) anti-Trump postings.
Like (for one example of complete and utter bullshit) how he's 'so broke' that his 'overwhelming debts' will make him vulnerable to blackmail... or some such nonsense, ask NF2 he posted it.
I can't Search with IE and won't risk shutting down my system to find it on Chrome.

You're right in a way: This "goes beyond" hearsay and gossip... straight into fiction and fabrication.
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Male 1,423
5cats "and using sock puppets."  Seems rather funny coming from someone who must have Trump's hand so far up his ass as to accept everything and feel that Trump must be perfect in every way. Far as we know, he's human and therefore, fucks up like the rest of the planet. The trainwreck that is his twitter account is enough to say "ok, MAYBE there's something wrong with this guy"
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Male 37,007
korahn Did you say the same thing about Obama when he announced HE was going to lower the oceans and cool the planet? That just maybe he was over-exaggerating just a little bit? No? Well then.

All politicians are human, I don't expect any more of Trump than the rest of them, but so far he's kept (or is on track to keep) more promises in a month than Obama did in 8 years...
And he's broken some too, and some were impossible. Yet every single failing, real or imagined, is screamed from every rooftop... while the MSM spent 8 years making excuses for, and covering up, all of Obama's mistakes...

At least ask questions about things that are ACTUALLY A REAL PROBLEM and not make-believe bullshit. This is the real issue.
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Male 4,368
5cats You have a deep knowledge of logical fallacies; sock puppets (had to look that one up), ad hominem, straw man arguments, etc, and are the first to accuse others of using these manipulative tactics, yet you yourself use them freely whenever cornered with facts. Seems more than a little hypocritical.
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Male 37,007
markust123 I have never used a sock puppet, so shove it.

Seems that way, to you? You are entitled to your opinion, too bad for me I'm not allowed to have any.

And Squrlz4 suggests it's likely a bug, which would explain the strange vanishing/re-appearing comments too, eh? 
But still? Others have used them before, obvious ones but still...
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Male 4,344
markust123 5cats You were the one screaming sock puppets when a strange name shows up when responding to someones post. I have had that happen when responding to your comments,  trimble showed up.  It did it on this post!!!
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Male 4,368
5cats This made me laugh so hard my bite of port fried rice ended up on my screen. You literally used a logical fallacy (the straw man argument that I was accusing you of using a sock puppet) to get out of someone, once again, correctly pointing out that you have a habit of using logical fallacies against people, and that you are a hypocrite for pointing out whenever someone else uses them. What made this so funny to me is I knew you would use this exact straw man to wiggle your way out of my comment.
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Male 37,007
markust123 Now you're just being a twat:

sock puppets, ad hominem, straw man arguments, etc...
...yet you yourself use them freely...


So explain how I'm misunderstanding this? How you never said this? Should I take a screenshot before you stealth-edit it out? You utterly failed the last time you tried to lecture me on reading comprehension, lets see how you try to squirm out of this one?
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Male 4,368
5cats Sorry, not going down crazy lane again.
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Male 92
5cats I gave you grief last time for the personal attacks, and this time I will voice my dissatisfaction with DrCribbens. Keep sticking up for yourself.
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Male 37,007
toetagmodel2 I frequently reply to attacks in that way. I sometimes REPLY IN KIND to the shit some people throw at me EVEN WHEN I never said or did any such thing as Cribbins describes. He MADE SHIT UP to attack me without provocation.
And you join in with the attacks, says a lot about you...

Edit: Um, I totally mis-read the toetagmodel2 comment there, and got it ass-backwards. My apologies and I'll try not to do that again :shame:
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Male 92
5cats I'm not sure what was lost in translation, but I was in no way attacking you. I was stating that DrCribbens was out of line, and it is apprpriate in this instance to call him out on it.
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Male 37,007
toetagmodel2 Oh, well that's nice of you then!
Oops, I mis-read your comment, it's true! Sorry. :-x I should have been more careful, I'll add a not to my negative statement.

Very few people speak up, even with attacks far worse than this one (which was pretty mild really, but still rude) so thanks!
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Female 237
5cats Oh calm down. It was a joke. Jesus.
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Male 5,632
fancylad I would just love to see Hillary standing outside his cell, holding her stomach, and laughing her ass off!
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Male 37,007
  1. Why was Flynn being secretly recorded by the FBI?
  2. Why were these classified documents 'leaked'? Isn't that supposed to be illegal?
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Female 237
5cats By saying that aren't you just trying to deflect attention away from the real issue? Let's just say, for the sake of argument, that the leak was illegal. Does that excuse what Flynn did? Does it make it OK?
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Male 4,344
trimble Known Russian agents are almost always recorded when communicating with American officials. It it is SOP.  5cats HAS SOCK PUPPETS!
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Male 4,344
thezigrat I actually believe that the name thing is a glitch 
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Male 6,161
5cats Hrmm You didn't seem upset that Hillary's e-mails were released.  Even though that was just as illegal.  Can't have it both ways.
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Male 3,139
normalfreak2 Wasn't it Wikileaks that released Clintons e-mails? This Flynn stuff was released by US government officials. You know the difference, I think.
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Male 6,161
trimble Oh I'm not arguing who did it, I'm arguing what it revealed and the hypocrisy of calling out Hillary  based on what it revealed yet condemning whoever released this information because it was "illegal".  The double edge sword cuts both ways.  Apply it equally to all sources not just to people you don't like.  This is why you should have been upset at the releasing of that information from WikiLeaks from the start.  The door has been opened now.  Let's see how far this goes.
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Male 37,007
normalfreak2 Most of her e-mails were released by COURT ORDER.
You are (as usual) confusing the various accounts of other people who were hacked and released with damaging information from her private servers on them.

As usual, you're so fucking wrong it's staggering. Just how blind can you be? A private individual releasing non-classified information... IDENTICAL to a government official releasing classified information. In the DNC playbook's fantasy world.
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Male 6,161
5cats The stuff people were complaining about in the E-mails were PODESTA's not Hillary's subcommittee e-mail releases.  There was nothing in those.  I dare you to find something in there that was prosecutable.  The ONLY issue with her congressional released e-mails is that they weren't able to recover all of them.  You are conflating Podesta's wiki leak with Congress.  I'm not even talking about the Congress e-mails, they don't apply here.  Christ I wish you'd stay on the same tangent instead of jumping everywhere else.
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Male 706
trimble It seems so long ago... I vaguely remember a certain sentiment that we shouldn't be concerned with sources rather be concerned that about "the lies" that were revealed.
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Male 37,007
mischeif954 Funny how he's been lecturing us about how "you are not guilty of anything until there is a conviction in court" over and over again... look NF2? Flynn is not guilty of anything here, what he's "accused of" isn't even a crime, yet you and the rest of the DNC hacks screamed for his head on a pole... an innocent (by YOUR standards) man!

And he has the nerve to call others a hypocrite? I really should write him off as the hate-troll he truly is. I already ignore most of his shit...
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Male 5,632
normalfreak2 You silly boy! Of course he can. Trump is a Republican so everything he does is right and appropriate. Hillary is a Democrat so everything she does is wrong. Goes without saying...doesn't it?
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Male 19,981
5cats Flynn resigned before his term ended under the Obama administration. Flynn was then rehired as a Trump employee.
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Male 37,007
fancylad Yes, lots of employees resigned when the new President took over. That happens every 4 years, it's routine.

Unless here's something I haven't seen, that his resigning under Obama was due to some sort of investigation? But since he doesn't seem to have broken any laws, or even known about being wiretapped? IDk...

EDIT: Wiki says he 'clashed with superiors' and chose to retire earlier than planned. Hardly "Watergate" eh?
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Male 5,632
fancylad So he was a private citizen seeking out and talking with Russian intelligence agents? Sounds like something the FBI should be aware of and follow carefully. Leak it? No. Not, at least, unless they were given good reason to believe that nothing would be done about it by Trump, et al, without making that info public.
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Male 37,007
broizfam So Snowden (or whatever his name is) is a criminal for leaking... but this leak is OK! Because it hurts Trump. Got it! Laws don't apply if ignoring them helps the Dems or harms the Repubs. Two sets of laws based on your political orientation. Check!
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Male 5,632
5cats Read what I wrote again. Read the whole comment. Try doing it without your preconceived assumptions of prejudice. And, by the way, I feel Snowden was wrong to do what he did and that he should be jailed for it. Again, ditch the preconceived notions of prejudice...if you can.
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Male 37,007
broizfam It's perfectly clear:  Don't leak it, that's bad, unless (keyword!) they think nothing will be done about it, then screw all the laws! Leak it! 

And how would they know, in advance, what will or will not be done? And who are THEY, these un-elected bureaucrats, to over-rule the President's decisions? I don't recall that being in your Constitution...
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Male 5,632
5cats That's why I said "unless they were given good reason" (You did see that part, right?). For instance, they go to the Trump administration with the evidence and they clearly intend to do nothing about it. Supposedly, at least, they were told a few weeks ago and hadn't done anything detectable thus far.
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Male 37,007
broizfam So... this huuuugely important scandal, bigger than Watergate! And they give an administration... a week? To fully resolve it TO THEIR LIKING? Then it is 'justified' to ignore the laws and leak it, says you? And even after a proper time, if they don't like the resulting decisions (that is what happened here, they didn't like the decision, correct?) then it's ok too?

That's not how it works in a law-abiding nation. Proper investigations can take months, especially when classified material is involved... and in the 'First 100 Days' a new Administration is kind of... busy, yes? 
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Male 5,632
5cats Actually, I read (somewhere) that the administration was told about this several weeks ago. If that's true and they also planned to do nothing about it, as it appears, I can understand it. Don't really agree with it since I think other steps should be taken first, but I understand it.
By the way, you've now mentioned at least twice the "bigger than Watergate" comment. Is someone out there actually characterizing this that way? I don't think this even approaches Watergate. I think it was inappropriate and should have been dealt with but more in a "Bad boy! No dessert for you tonight! Straighten up and fly right." kind of way.
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Male 1,309
Looking at the conversation below, I have to ask.  Why wouldn't we be talking with Russian intelligence?  We have a common enemy in the "radical" islamist fighters.  
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Male 6,161
insaneai Nothing wrong with talking with them.  The Logan Act prevents citizens from engaging with Officials from other nations that will affect treaties/policies/etc.  That's my only gripe with it.  If he had waited a few weeks until his nomination I don't think this is an issue.   Arcane rule?  Maybe not sure to be honest.  I'm concerned about the lying.
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Male 1,309
normalfreak2 That clears things up.  He should have waited until he was in office to have the conversation.  I'm still not sure it was worth making him resign although I acknowledge the legal issues keeping him would cause.  (logical vs. legal argument going on internally where neither seem to make full sense)
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Male 37,007
insaneai Correct. Didn't Hillary "Push The Reset Button" with Russia?
Didn't Obama lecture everyone how America needs to have "open dialogue" with Russia?
But Trump speaks to them... and it's a "Bigger scandal than Watergate"?
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Male 1,309
5cats She did that as a diplomat acting in official capacity, I am learning that the difference is critical in this debate.
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Male 37,007
insaneai I wonder who downvoted all your comments? I'll "upboat" them to even :-D
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Male 1,309
5cats Someone has been down voting my comments for a while.  It doesn't bother me.
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Male 19,981
5cats Then can we talk about the verified Russian oil stock that exchanged hands?
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Male 37,007
fancylad Hundreds of millions "donated" to the Clinton Foundation? Pay for Play a proven fact? C'mon now... 

Are you saying Trump got bribed? Or Flynn? 
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Male 19,981
5cats Why not both. 

And for once, let's drop Clinton from the conversation. She's not the president. Trump is the president.
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Male 4,344
rumham  According to the Trump every time something goes wrong or some thing happens that might indicate corruption it is always Clinton's or the press's fault for reporting it
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Male 1,540
fancylad fancy thats going against the rules. we live in 5 cats world.
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Male 6,161
I asked this in the previous thread.  2 Questions: 

Is there any benign explanation for Trump’s team to be talking to Russian intelligence?

 If the intel community thought Flynn was an intelligence threat were they justified in leaking in what they knew?  Because they knew that He lied to the VP and that he could be compromised because Russia would have known that he lied and got away with it.



There's a legitimate National Security concern here.  Flynn either went rogue and was talking to Russian officials and Violated the Logan Act.  The other part is Flynn is a soldier.  Soldiers obey chain of command.  My bet is he didn't do anything without kissing the Ring of Trump and getting his blessing.  The issue will be will Flynn give up Trump or will he fall on the sword.  
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Male 4,344
fancylad He only resigned after it became public, had it not the Trump would be indifferent to his Still being in his position had it not been public
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Male 19,981
normalfreak2 My question to add on your your questions...

If Flynn lied to Pence, does that mean Pence doesn't have his fingers in the Russian relationship? I guess it's possible that Trump and his team worked around Pence, but I also though Pence had more power. If Pence was left out in the dark of these Russian dealings, it seems like he's not as tight with Trump as one would think.
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Male 4,344
fancylad I think the Trump is intentionally keeping Pence out of the loop for some odd reason
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Male 6,161
fancylad  This is very interesting turn of events.
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Male 3,139
normalfreak2 No, you're right, there may well be a benign explanation but it looks like this thing with Flynn was under investigation for a while and he probably was going to be fired either way. Yeah this is our intel community leaking this and it's not good because it seems there is no reason for it other than politics.
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Male 19,981
trimble I've read reports that Flynn resigning might be an attempt to be the guy to fall on the sword and that's why he resigned. 
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Male 3,139
In answer to your question fanc, yes the National Security Agency would have first-hand intel by now. Then President Obama and then President elect Trump were both briefed on the Flynn situation a while back. All the right people knew about it, who knows why someone leaked it. Pretty easy guess though.
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Male 6,161
trimble Observation, was Flynn going to be fired before this leaked?  Trump knew about this weeks ago, why even allow Flynn to even be nominated?  I'm split on the leak.  Think about this Trimble.  The Russians were monitoring this call as well.  Imagine we had no leaks, Flynn is probably still in his post,  and Russia intelligence knows He (Flynn) lied to Pence and got away with it.  That seems like a huge blackmail target waiting to happen. Does that not concern you at all?
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Male 3,139
normalfreak2 Well yeah, we just don't know but a wise Zen Master said "we'll see".
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Male 19,981
trimble Thanks, that's what I thought -- I figured we were well beyond "hearsay" now. I'm assuming there's audio intel that the NSA is basing their accusations on.
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Male 1,236
Lock him up. Lock him up.
The absolute fucking nerve of that cocksucker to point a finger at Hillary when he was just as bad or worse.
And if you look close enough, you can see some crusty orange residue in the corners of the mouths of the entire Fox News staff from sucking donny's dick.
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Male 2,032
We'll see. Keep your panties on
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Male 1,138
chicagojay ...at least until the girls get here to pee on you
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Male 2,032
doiknowyou  LOL, good one.
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