The War On Boys: Is Being A Normal Boy In Today's Classroom A Liability These Days?

Submitted by: dromed 1 month ago Lifestyle


From PragerU: What ever happened to letting "boys be boys?" Take these two cases: In one, a seven-year-old boy was sent home for nibbling a Pop Tart into a gun. In another, a teacher was so alarmed by a picture drawn by a student (of a sword fight), that the boy's parents were summoned in for a conference. In short, boys in America's schools are routinely punished for being active, competitive, and restless. In other words, boys can no longer be boys. Christina Hoff Sommers, a scholar at the American Enterprise Institute, explains how we can change this.
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Male 585
we could take it all right back to 500 a.d. if we wanted to. 
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Male 1,310
Spot on but let's be careful not to let the pendulum swing too far the other way.  My son was "tested" by the last district we lived in and they found him to be unable to focus, follow direction and behave properly in class.

I found out that they tested his ability to sit still in the morning after snack when he was full of energy instead of testing after recess.  They didn't want to hear about all the books he reads, the creative projects he does at home or anything else that didn't match their pre-drawn conclusions.  I did a little research and found out the district was so well funded because of federal grant money for kids on ADHD medications and similar situations.  I had fresh out of college teachers and administrators telling me to have him medicated so he would settle down.

We bought a house in a more rural environment and he's a straight A student excelling in the engineering program.

We need de-centralized education and leaders from the community setting the rules and educational standards, not the garbage we have in most districts now.
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Male 19,981
insaneai I had fresh out of college teachers and administrators telling me to have him medicated so he would settle down.

This would scare the fuck out of me -- I sound like a broken record, but I know a lot of teachers that have kids with ADHD and autism pop up in their classrooms every year. Most veteran teachers who've had those kids before know how to tweak their lesson plans to help the the kids that need a different attention. 

Medication should be the last resort, and even in 2017, it seems archaic.
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Male 1,310
fancylad This was the number one reason we looked for a house in a different city.
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Male 1,371
Boys have always been unfairly punished for acting out.

Girls have always been unfairly punished for acting out.

The only difference, is now butt-hurt youtube video makers are crying foul and demanding that their Internet viewers give them "safe spaces" from people who unfairly punish. This is ridiculous. When something like this happens, you talk to the teacher and the principal and you get it resolved. You don't create some video on the internet and cry and whine and get sympathy points and get your followers to bully the school until you feel better about yourself.

Geez...
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Male 135
bliznik Uhm. Yeah. No. This in no way reflects my experience. I'm boisterous, energetic, I'm 25 and I still chase the dog around the yard. I took endless hell throughout all of my education, literally having my parents called by day one of Kindergarden. This never changed, I spent maybe a quarter of highschool sat in the office and graduated eighth last in my class, despite routinely scoring in the top 10%. Modern education caters largely to a model that favors the learning styles of girls and women. Check the numbers, like go, actually, do some reading. The state of boys in school is, and has been, in incredible decline. I'm head over heels with the progress that women have made in <100 years, but, it would be ignorant to say that there isn't progress to made for men and boys. No one should be made to suffer for who they are. As someone who is a decade distant from routinely taking ADD medication, as someone with intimate knowledge of how it affects a person. It's a blight upon the world, and I've really come to regard it as no better than conversion therapy. It may be good for schools, it may be good for lazy teachers and lazy parents, but thinking you can prescribe any high-grade psychoactive substance for a child's entire future, it's only small steps from electroshock and lobotomy. It affects and alters the fabric of who we are. This is how far the "war on boys" has come. I admit, it's a stupid phrase to frame it in, but the concerns are serious and deleterious, they are worth public interest.
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Male 518
bliznik It's more an issue of our entire education system being based on a factory assembly line model and for a variety of reasons, it seems that girls fare better in a system demanding conformity.  

(There are definitely some mixed signals on that front, but girls are probably taught to be more submissive in general.)
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Male 1,371
faustsshadow ...and that may be true, but this probably belongs in a PTA meeting or an education conference and not some whiny Internet forum.

...and it's interesting how Prager U decries how horrible and unfair the education system is against men and yet calls women illogical when they point out how unfair the deck is stacked against them careerwise. Seriously, the entire point of Prager U is to use cherry-picked facts and whine about how the powerful people in today's society are "victims."
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Male 197
PragerU... they very rarely have acceptable videos. Is this one really worth watching or is it some more tea party BS?
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Male 135
m3dm3d can you seriously not give someone some leeway? Whether they're crazy or not, PragerU is putting people up who've often made that topic much of their life's work. Maybe they don't have opinions we find easy, but I hardly think they're putting up people not worth listening to.
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Male 197
thething911 I'm still eager to find a single video from them that does not intentionally remove all the facts that disprove their points.
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Male 2,402
m3dm3d So every PU video you have seen is plain wrong?
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Male 197
dromed so far yes. But I'm eager to find one which is not. I have not looked at this one as it is more than 2 years old though.
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Male 2,402
m3dm3d Well we need to get you to DC and in charge of lots of shit pronto.  Because you clearly know more about just about everything than most people.  
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Male 197
dromed Well the thing I do that most people don't is that I don't stop at one source of information and do my homework. It is very easy to check if what you are told is true or not, and if it is complete or not.
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Male 135
m3dm3d Yea, did actually do my homework, and then some. You can play the cool headed rationalist all you want, you just sound obstinant. Fact checking a video, any video like this, would take hours. You didn't do it
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Male 197
thething911 It doesn't take hours to see if something is "fake news" or not.
For this specific video, and only the first two minutes:

  • intro: pure affirmations, no justification
  • 0:25: quoting Thompson in "Raising Cain", which is known for being biased since Thompson is a staff psychologist of an all-boys school, without quoting its girl counterpart, Pipher's "Reviving Ophelia"
  • 0:46: the charts are made up. The difference in grades shows that the boys do have grades 20% smaller than girls, while this peer-reviewed study only found 5%, a factor 4 difference. The difference in college bounds are made up so the men bar is 46% of the women one. But statistics suggest it should be 82-83% of that bar for blacks and latinos (twice as high), and even higher for whites (86%) and Asians (97%). Difference in honors: where does it come from? 
  • 0:52: again affirmations without justification. "Girls are prospering". This is why there is no salary gap, is it?
  • 1:02: wait... so the disparities that you see in the statistics are coming from school? No other socio-economical factors can explain them? If only serious studies had been conducted to study the impact of economics on these numbers...
  • 1:11: good advice. should be done to all kids though, not just boys. USA Kids score very low to all reading tests internationally. The fact that girls don't do as bad as boys is not enough to brag about it.
  • 1:27: which one?
  • 1:40: reinforcing stereotypes instead of fighting them
  • 1:47: while girls only need labels on food cans?

Now, we can discuss these facts, or you can show me any PragerU video that's not unreviewed propaganda, or you can keep talking about how I "sound" and what it "feels" when I point to facts. but clearly, this video is as bad as I thought it would be. one-sided, poorly referenced, altered data.
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Male 518
m3dm3d eh - the thing is, most of the points made here would benefit boys and girls.  It is not a waste of 2 minutes to watch it (I skipped ahead at times to the important bits).  
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