Trump Is Accusing Obama And The Obama White House From "Wire Tapping" Trump Tower

Submitted by: fancylad 3 weeks ago News & Politics


Trump when on another Twitter jag this morning, accusing Obama of "wire tapping" Trump Tower sometime before the presidential election. That's it -- no proof, no evidence, Trump's just throwing it out there. 

There's not much more to write about this story -- it's just Trump employing the one and only tactic that works for him and his supporters that seem to fall for his "Deflect, Deflect, Deflect" strategy. 

Between this morning's baseless tweets, and the White House insisting that Mike Pence using his personal AOL account for government business (which got hacked), it seems like they want you to forget Trump's White House is in shambles. 

Sad and undignified.








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Male 37,042
So all those times the MSM reported that various government agencies were wiretapping him, they were (imagine this!) wrong? Making up lies to try to discredit him?
Or perhaps they were reporting accurately, and there were various agencies on a witch hunt for anything at all they could use to help Hillary.
After all, Obama had no qualms about spying on America's allies (Like Angela Merkel) or even it's own citizens (without a warrant) if their politics aren't correct... http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2017/03/ask_james_rosen_and_angela_merkel_about_obama_spying.html

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Male 6,188
5cats Bullshitttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt, a huge steamy pile of BULLSHIT is what your article is.  You know instead of relying on Government sources for data, Trump relies on Media not affiliated with the Government Agencies.  He has the FBI and CIA and NSA and the DOJ that can corroborate this claim or deny it, yet People like you and Trump don't bother.
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normalfreak2 I do not know why so many of you Respond to this Cat the way that you do. Your facts may be flawless and your logic sound, But if your foe abandons reason, then folly you've found. If a debate with conservatives of merit you want, set your sights higher, your standards, your cause.
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Male 37,042
normalfreak2 So the Obama administration DID NOT TAPP Angel Merkel's lines? Fuck your ignorant ass. 
All those MSM outlets that reported it, and the German Government, were lying? All part of the 'vast right-wing conspiracy' eh? Willful ignorance is not bliss, as you well know. Did you even LOOK at the article? No? Fuck off then.
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Male 6,188
5cats Did I say that? We've tapped multiple allies.  That was real that was reported.  What does that have to do with topic?  NOTHING AT ALL.
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Male 37,042
normalfreak2 The POINT of the article (which you never even looked at) is that the US Gov under Obama did a LOT of illegal spying on citizens, even America's allies got bugged, and Obama approved of it.
The MSM reported dozens of times that various agencies had bugged Trump and you ignore that and claim Trump is lying because... it's simply impossible for the Obama Administration to do that! Except for all the times they did exactly that... you got nothing. Ignorance.
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Male 6,188
5cats Bold claim on "illegal spying".  Do I think Obama orchestrated the "illegal spying" the NSA was doing with bulk collections?  No, I don't think so.  Didn't this all start with Bush?  What are you accusing Former President Obama of?  
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normalfreak2 You seen the latest info from wikileaks ?  I'd say any kind of plausible deniability about any kind of surveillance just got both barrells to the face.
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Male 6,188
johnbuchanan definitely going to read it later.  Very busy at work today!.
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5cats He didn't even spell "tapp" right. Bigly mistake right there. Low energy. Sad
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Male 37,042
pleasestop Spelling Nazi = loser.
Just ignore the content and attack a typo! Yes you'll fit in perfectly with the rest of the ignorant IAB Liberals...
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Male 4,402
5cats    he is the President, He should know how to spell
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Male 37,042
thezigrat Or how to pronounce words properly? Like Corpseman, Pakistan? Several others as well. 
He should know how many US States there are? 57!
Or perhaps obey the US Constitution he swore to uphold???

And if that's the biggest, most important issue you have with Trump? That he mis-spelled or typo'd a single word? I suggest they give him the Nobel Peace Prize immediately!
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Male 4,402
5cats 52 states with 2 pending and 2 Embarrassing. Gitmo and Conch Republic nor Sealand Principalities count' Learn basic history
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5cats The President of the United States can't be arsed to spell a word properly. It's a direct reflection on his ability to lead. He cares about as much a
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Male 37,042
pleasestop He cares about as much a... As a President who thinks the official language of Austria is... Austrian! That sort of thing?
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Male 4,402
5cats  What Strumpy cares about is money and his personal image. To him "The poor and middle  income are morons"  It bothers him severely if he cant be in the top head lines for even one day. He cares more about ratings than lives.This is the Network Slime the people have elected to run their country.
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Male 6,188
The worst part about this is Trump is creating scandals.  He's reached his conclusion and now he's searching for the facts to back up his conclusion instead of the opposite.  This is not now how you do things.  This is ridiculous and Trump needs to go.  Mark Levin makes a claim, Breitbart writes on it, then Trump reads this nonsense and comes to a conclusion.  Can we agree this is extremely dangerous and hazardous to our country?  It's like having 5cats being the POTUS.  Would you want someone that simply repeats whatever he reads on Alex Jones, Breitbart, Mark Levin running this country?  Because that's what we have now,  Facts be damned.  Now our President get's news from people that don't report fact, they report to garner eye balls.  IE PROFIT motive news.  Huge implications from shit like this.
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Male 37,042
Except the Obama administration's goons WERE illegally wiretapping various Trump supporters.

Anyhow: Here's ABSOLUTE PROOF:


How can anyone argue with THAT?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_2Npp-euLU
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Male 4,402
5cats I  like!
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Male 1,542
5 GRENDELSLADANA where is your input on this wiretapping outrage?!?!?!
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Male 7,502
rumham

"WASHINGTON — American law enforcement and intelligence agencies are examining intercepted communications and financial transactions as part of a broad investigation into possible links between Russian officials and associates of President-elect Donald J. Trump.... One official said intelligence reports based on some of the wiretapped communications had been provided to the White House". - New York Times, Jan. 19th 2017.

Funny how they forget their own reporting.

In simplest terms: An administration that is capable of using the IRS to target opposition groups, Operation Fast & Furious, openly lying about the Benghazi attack and the outright lying of 'if you like you plan you can keep your plant' is very capable of wiretapping opponents. 


And lest yea forget, he DOES have a history of such. Recall the AP Journalists and editors that he obtained phone records on and labeled James Rosen as a 'aider an abettor and/or co-conspirator' in order to read his emails.
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Male 37,042
megrendel They (The Obama administration) also wiretapped US Citizens without a warrant, and international leaders (Angel Merkel) too. Funny how IAB Liberals forget things which are inconvenient eh?
Some writing on the subject: http://www.weeklystandard.com/trumps-wiretap-claims-what-we-know-and-what-we-dont/article/2007096
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Male 6,188
megrendel Can you clarify your issue with Benghazi besides losing the Americans?  What exactly was lied about?  I saw Benghazi as a cover up for a CIA OP That colors things differently for me.
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Male 7,502
normalfreak2 Astute question:

"Here's what happened. ... You had a video that was released by somebody who lives here, sort of a shadowy character who -- who made an extremely offensive video directed at -- at Mohammed and Islam --Making fun of the Prophet Mohammed. And so, this caused great offense in much of the Muslim world. But what also happened, extremists and terrorists used this as an excuse to attack a variety of our embassies, including the one, the consulate in Libya."  - Obama a week after the attack on the Letterman Show, when the adminsitration new the night of the attack that the video had nothing to do with it.

Had it been a CIA cover up (a not unrealistic theory), then they should have covered it up without ruining a video maker's life.
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Male 37,042
megrendel And Obama sent Ambassador Rice out on US TV shows to repeat that lie 4 times in one day alone... and more but NF2 never admits it, makes the most outrageous excuses and then just resorts to his usual tactics: attack and change the subject. Just wait...
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Male 4,402
megrendel Those wire taps as you know were legally placed on the phones of KNOWN Russian and KGB Russian Spys and are frequently recorded. If they happened to be calls between Strumpy's people and Russian agents of course they might have be recorded as a matter of SOP.
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Male 620
thezigrat Are these people really getting outraged that trumple was Caught instead of being outraged that he was collaborating with Russia?
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Male 4,402
marsii Being caught
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Female 238
Trump by now is a laughing stock around the world.

As far as I see it, with this latest claim he has two choices: either provide evidence or apologise and resign.
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Male 953
DrCribbens I find it interesting that every little thing seems to be a reason for people to demand impeachment or resignation.
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Male 4,402
DrCribbens Had this been Obama or much worse Hilary making these claims the Republicans would have acted as if they had WWIII were declared upon them and gone Nuclear against the dems
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Male 7,502
DrCribbens “The nature of the evidence is irrelevant; it’s the seriousness of the charge that matters.” Tom Foley, Democrat, Former Speaker of the House.

Have the standards now changed? (What am I thinking. With a Republican President, of COURSE they've changed."
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Male 6,188
megrendel  I can't find that quote anywhere other than sketchy sources pjmedia, schkergner.com.  Can't find any reference to it.  Also is this the same senator that died nearly 30 years ago?  I mean seriously Can you find a more dated reference?
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Male 7,502
normalfreak2 Does the New York Times Count? 

Technically, I should have put single quote marks, as that is a paraphrase.  The actual quote is "We have no conclusive evidence of wrongdoing, but the seriousness of the allegations, and the weight of circumstantial information, compel an effort to establish the facts." - NYT, August 6, 1991.  

And while an Old statement, it's been true since.  The double-standard is glaringly obvious, and only denied by political hacks and/or fools. 
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Female 238
megrendel I'm confused by your comment. Are you saying that it's ok for the evidence to not matter?
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Male 7,502
DrCribbens Nope, didn't say that when the comment was made, not saying it now.


Just find it funny that there is a double standard depending on the letter after the name of the politician.

If there is a D after the name, the default mode of the media is as above, 'the seriousness of the charge is all that matters." (example: the claim that Romney didn't pay taxes made on the senate floor. No evidence, and it turned out to be false. But as Harry Reid (D) made the claim, the seriousness of the charge is all that mattered.)

If there is an R after the name, no charge will be taken seriously until overwhelming evidence is presented, and even then the evidence will be questioned, sneered at and 'fact-checked' into oblivion. (example: Current topic, all the Mainstream default immediately to "Obama innocent" and demanding proof. The same demands they never make after a claim by a D.)
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Male 37,042
megrendel This is precicely true. No where is this more evident than with the IAB Liberals.
Hillary, by her own admission, broke several laws. Federal Felonies no less. Yet they tell us it's OK for her to be President because 'she wasn't convicted in court'.

Trump's officials get 'accused' of things which are not even illegal? Or are so flimsy it's unimaginable they are true? THEY MUST RESIGN! Without trial, without even being charged...
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Female 238
megrendel Well, not being in the US I wouldn't know (or necessarily care) about any of that other stuff. 

But what you say about the media presuming that the accused man is innocent until it is proven otherwise - that's exactly as it should be.

The problem with Trump is that he's the little boy who cried wolf. He's made a lot of serious allegations in his time for which he has offered exactly zero evidence. By this stage, whatever he says has to be treated with a shovelful of salt because he's shown himself to be someone who makes claims and hopes that the claim itself is enough to cast doubt, and after all, mud sticks.
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Male 7,502
DrCribbens But what you say about the media presuming that the accused man is innocent until it is proven otherwise - that's exactly as it should be.

Nothing wrong with it at all.  That's the way it should be. But if you'll notice the media, only one side is presumed innocent (Those with a D after their name).  The other side is presumed guilty.
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Male 6,188
megrendel I'm not sure why you are going after this?  Your point makes sense if Trump wasn't the President, but he is.  In fact he can disprove a lot of claims by having the FBI or CIA declassify data or have them release a statement saying it's false.  I mean what the heck are you talking about?  There's no double standard here.

The only person making extraordinary claims with no evidence is the President of the United States....so are you condemning Trump here?   In either case are you supporting the President making extraordinary claims or are you deflecting to point out a Democrat saying the same thing 30 years ago?  In either case I'm not sure what you are driving at here.
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normalfreak2 The only person making extraordinary claims with no evidence is the President of the United States

Then you obviously haven't been paying attention.  Did you not notice the unverified claim of Trump hiring hookers to piss in a bed Obama had slept in? Do you not consider that extraordinary?

As with everything, I say wait for the facts. If Trump can back it up, a lot of people are going to have egg on their faces.  If he can't, he's damaged his position beyond repair.
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megrendel Yes I do remember that, but it came from a "credible" source a known spymaster from Britain.  Also what does that have to do with Democrats?  That Intel was gleamed from the REPUBLICANS own research......I wasn't condemning Trump for that dossier, I said it before that it was extraordinary.  That doesn't excuse the President getting his "intel" from Breitbart sources.  He has the fucking FBI and CIA and NSA and DOJ.   Someone in the Government HE RUNS could tell and confirm this.  The President is perpetuating fake news.  Why doesn't this bother you in the slightest?
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Male 4,402
I am beginning to believe that Strumpy is getting closer and closer to being locked in to his own personal Doctor prescribed bouncy house where he can be observed 24/7 by little men in white coats with big canvas sweaters  and wires that go buzz buzz and make your testicles glow
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Male 4,402
He was also raving about how the Russia scandal is overshadowing the "Greatness " of his speech he made. It's hard to believe that the most powerful nation in the world with enough firepower to destroy it several times over is run by the cartoon buddies  of Ban and Strumpy
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Male 4,402
Strumpy is now screaming for a congressional investigation on his Trump Tower Wire Taps where no evidence is present. Where will this madness end? When will it stop? ~flailing arms and skittering around in circles~

And Ban just watches Strumpy's ranting and laughs
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Male 1,762
thezigrat Honestly, this is close to incredible--literally incredible, meaning that I'm having a hard time believing that the president of the United States could be making such wild and baseless claims. Did these claims come out of our intelligence community? No. Trump appears to have fired off these reckless accusations on an angry whim--without reflection, consultation, or confirmation. His belief that the wiretapping happened appears to be based solely on the rantings of an ultra-right-wing radio host. What the hell happens when he hears some ultra-right-wing nutjob declare that North Korea is about to launch a nuclear strike?

All this confirms my belief that Donald Trump is not stable enough to be anywhere near the nuclear codes.

The other possibility, of course, is that Trump knows the charges are baseless and he's doing this as part of a gaslighting strategy. If so, it's a move of desperation that suggests he knows his administraton is in peril from imminent disclosures about still more Russian influence.
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Male 6,188
squrlz4ever Whatever happened to the Voter Fraud investigation?  Is he getting on that?
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Male 4,402
Also how will this ranting stop more Russian allegations from emerging? It might take the press's and the public's attention away from them for the moment but the experts will still examine them and their findings will still make headlines. The rants will do nothing but harm him and his administration, If he were sane enough to see it he would stop.
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squrlz4ever I believe it started out as a gaslighting strategy but I thinkk his paranoia and narcissistic  beliefs are causing him to believe his own lies and falsehoods to the point of hysteria. I think he is truely loosing it. Either way this Man is proving himself to be totally UNFIT for the office if not dangerously unstable. HE SHOULD BE NO WHERE NEAR THE NUCLEAR LAUNCH CODES!!!
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Male 21
3 possibilities here.

1. Obama pulled a Watergate
2. Trump is making a baseless allegation based on a short attention span view of a Breitbart piece.
3. The Feds had proof enough of something to convince a federal judge to order the wire tap.

I know which one I think is the least likely answer.
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Male 6,188
david-morris You have pretty much nailed it.  
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Male 37,042
david-morris #2 is the least likely. Since it has already been shown that Obama's Administration was illegally wiretapping Trump supporters... the illegal leaks? You've forgotten already?
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Watching the left and right crawl over, trample and hurl insults at each other while trying to get up on their high horses was amusing for a while... Now it's just irritating.
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Male 2,362
Where's Trump's supporters and patsies on this one? So quiet.
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Male 1,542
can't wait to see how certain people defend this activity.
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Male 99
Yep, Trump is insane, an idiot, a liar and a fool. Did you hear what he said now? Did you also notice how many stories there aren't about how he never divested from his businesses, how his family is using our money and agencies to make themselves richer? He can play people better than most and doesn't mind playing the fool to do it.
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Hrm, actually, Trump is really playing with fire here. It's tradition for incoming presidents to give their predecessor a pass for all the horrible things they did in office, because then the next president will do the same for them.

Trump is making a habit of breaking convention, but breaking this one could cost him personally, and we know he doesn't handle that well.
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Male 37,042
barry9a Except Obama blamed bush for every single thing that went wrong for the next 7 years... aside from that you mean?
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Heh, Trump complaining of McCarthyism...
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Male 4,373
Once again I'm horrified that the President of the United States is using the dishonest and uber-partisan Breitbart "news" to keep himself "informed" of the "important issues" that affect our country. I'm even more horrified that a sitting President thinks it is legal for a president to order a wire tap. The department of Justice is the one with that authority. Does he think the Attorney General represents him and not the United States? That is a frightening thought. Why Trump is even repeating this lie is beyond reason. If the allegation that there was a wiretap on him are true it means that a Federal judge found enough evidence of criminal activity to approve the Department of Justice's request. Our President is so inexperienced, or stupid, he didn't realize he was painting himself into a corner with this ridiculous allegation.
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Male 1,762
markust123 The phrase "loose cannon" comes to mind.
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Male 32
He's got that wall, a healthcare issue, the immigration debacle, a secret plan to defeat ISIS within 30 days which is already 30+ days overdue, his cabinet, and the do-nothing congress that instead of "draining the swamp" the Republicans re-elected the same speed-bumps that had less than a 20% approval rating on election day and it's this bullsh*t that's on his mind? Very Presidential!
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Male 264
Interior view of Trump's noggin.



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Male 525
From a legal point isn't this slander if untrue or can't be proven?
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Male 7,960
dragon91 Actually, I believe it is libel, which is more serious.
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Male 4,402
dragon91 However it can esily be proven false. By federal law all wiretaps must be regulated and regestered through a judge. Ie there is a verifiable record on all wiretaps, when issued when removed, where located  etc
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Male 525
thezigrat This was kind of my point. He didn't just make some vague comment, Trump specifically called out Obama. So if he has nothing to back up his comments Obama could go after him for it. Trump may be known for twisting and distorting the facts, but doesn't there have to be something to distort/twist to begin with?
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Male 4,402
dragon91 I t is far easier for the KGB to bug Trump towers ( and most likely has) than it is for an out going president to by pass the federal judges and illegally wire tap the Tower,
Trumpy should know this
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Male 4,402
dragon91 I hope he says something to one of these politicians that will get him sued for libel 
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Male 525
thezigrat see below
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Male 97
thezigrat If it hasn't already happened for the outlandish things that have already been said, i can't even imagine what it would actually take.
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kuman From this article

Despite the possible case, it is unlikely that Obama would sue Trump for libel. Predecessors tend to give the succeeding president a fair amount of room, and the president is provided some protections from civil suits. The Supreme Court's 1982 decision Nixon v. Fitzgerald found that a president is provided absolute immunity from civil damages and liability while conducting presidential acts.

"President Trump has official immunity from liability and damages," Zipursky confirmed, but it is not clear that judges would view tweeting a defamatory conspiracy theory, without evidence, as a president carrying out his official duties.


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Male 4,402
dragon91 I doubt Strumpy would hold off on suing a fellow ex or sitting president given the chance
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Male 256
I'm still using the plug-in that turns the text in Trump twitter posts into child-like printing.  It makes the visuals of his posts match the tone.

Does the US not have slander/libel laws for written falsehoods ?
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Male 201
Speaking of McCarthy... "Have you no sense of decency, sir? At long last, have you left no sense of decency?" 
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Male 5,641
He also blames Obama for the leaks from the Whitehouse. There are always leaks, of course, in any administration but the leaks in his are because of Obama. I was hoping he'd grow into the position as President but he just keeps getting fucking stupider and more childish.
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Male 97
broizfam That's what happens when you accept Breitbart as you primary news source.
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Male 4,402
broizfam He also blamed him for the protests and the attacks on Jewish grave yards and temples.
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Male 13
this guy cant be taken seriously at all. wow
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Male 4,402
jarred Greetings Jarred ~Waves Tentacle and offers 3 fingered hand to shake~
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Male 1,762
jarred Welcome to IAB, Jarred! ~Squrlz pulls out Welcome Wagon~ *squeak squeak squeak squeak squeak* One of these days I'm going to have to oil these wheels. Anyway, load up an avatar and stay awhile.

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Male 4,402
squrlz4ever Remember to oil it the next time you take it for a drag around the neighborhood
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Male 1,688
We really did elect a mad man didn't we...
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Female 119
No proof? Fake news.
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Male 1,364
It's more than just deflection.

Trump is an expert at gaslighting. He throws out fake facts all the time. Fake facts that, if people believe them, he will benefit greatly.

The ones that most people don't believe, he just pretends like he never said that. The ones that some people do believe, he'll repeat over, and over, and over, and over again until more and more people believe the fake fact.

He did that with Obama's birth certificate.

He does that with crime statistics.

He repeatedly gaslights until he has convinced people that "he" is the only one who knows the "real" truth.

This is why he wants to make the media his enemy. He doesn't want factcheckers. He wants everyone to be controlled by his lies and deceit.

Deflection is definitely a major part of it as well. Notice how nobody in the news was talking about him removing gun background checks for mentally handicapped citizens and effectively appointing Dana Boente as the attorney general last week? But this type of gaslighting gives him control as well.
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Male 6,188
bliznik don't forget the unemployment numbers 94 million not working. I mean holy crap he's a walking alternative universe.
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Male 4,402
normalfreak2 He is including  newborns, children and retired elderly in those numbers though so the number is fair enough if you're just looking at total population - people working and are an idiot enough not to see that this will give a false total of  unemployed
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Male 6,188
thezigrat Oh I know he included Children, retirees, High School students.  That skews these numbers horribly.
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Male 1,762
normalfreak2 LOL! Loving that second sentence of yours.
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